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Today's discussion is about: Chapter 17
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- Tessa had some pretty interesting dreams. Do you think these are things she actually saw, or do you think she really was dreaming these things up? I think she was dreaming, but I think some of what she saw really happened, like with Jessamine.
- Oh Magnus! He's always been one of my favorite characters of Cassie's, but I loved him the most in this chapter, because he tries to fix Will in a way that Will doesn't know what he's doing. Well that and I had a good laugh over Magnus's admitting Will did him a favor he doesn't even remember.... could that be a certain kiss. lol Magnus tells Woosley, "It is always better to live the truth than to live a lie." How do you think learning the truth is going to effect/change Will over all?
- It broke my heart over Will's realization that the curse he believed he was under effected everything he has done for the past 5 years. Do you think it's too late for him to fix what he's done, meaning make amends with those who have loved him even though he's pushed them away? Is it too late for him to win Tessa's heart?
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I think that Tessa was experiencing peoples feelings through her dreams. The situations may not have been real all the time, but what each person was feeling in the dreams was real.
ReplyDeleteI've always like Magnus, but after this chapter I finally understand why everyone loves him like they do. He really opened himself up in the chapter and showed what a good person he truly is.
I'm not sure how Will is going to react after learning what he did. I think that he will feel lighter and try to make ammends with his family and friends. However, I think that he is scarred and he will still erect a wall around him to protect himself and others.
I think she was dreaming, but there are those who feel that we can visit others' souls in our dreams. Maybe this is another one of Tessa's abilities!
ReplyDeleteI hope that the truth doesn't make Will bitter. That would be tragic! I love Magnus in this chapter, too. Love him.
It's never too late to make amends. No comment on the last question! ;P
* I think that the thing with Jessamine she really saw, and with Will she was still awake, but I think the first part was just a dream. I do think it h ad significance, but I don't believe it was real.
ReplyDelete* I love Magnus. He is one of my favorite characters. I really loved this chapter too. I think it was great to see that Magnus just really and truly wants to help Will. It shows how good he really is. I also really liked how he said to Woolsey "One will do." about saving Will. I just hope that Will won't punish himself for all he has done in 5 years thinking he was cursed. I want more than anything for him to realize it wasn't his fault and he did what he thought he had to in order to save the people he cares about.
* I think that everyone will understand why Will did the things he did. It shows how good of a person he really is, how unselfish and caring. I am sure they will understand how hard it was on him to hurt the people he cares about for the sake of saving them. That he suffered and was lonely. I know that Tessa will forgive him, but as to whether it's too late to win her heart, I'm not sure. I think he has it, but he's not the only one.
Oh man did this chapter make me emotional. I know that I was emotional the first time I read it too, but I think I was much more this time.
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~I think some of what Tessa dreamed was real--like Jessamine; she probably delved into Jessamine's mind in a state of unconsciousness and saw what had happened with her. The other parts of her dreams were probably fake, but had some significant reason as to why she dreamed them.
ReplyDelete~Will will probably stop being so rude, or at least tone it down, because I don't think he can completely get rid of how he's acted over the past five years just like that. I'm pretty sure the favor Magnus was talking about was the kiss, because I don't think Will did anything else that was big enough for Magnus to not collect a fee.
~Will can make amends, you can always made amends with those who love you, because those who live with him do love Will, but I'm not sure if he can finally be with Tessa.
I that with will she was awake. i think her dreams are there to provide some hints. Cassie wrote them in, so there has to be a reason for them.
ReplyDeleteMagnus is just amazing. he is just a great friend to will. he helps Will even when when he is being treated bad. he is a real friend. he also teaches Will many things about life. he makes Will want to correct his mistake.
It also broke my heart to see Will being lied to. i dont think its to late for him and Tessa. i just hope Tessa is willing to wait for him. he deserves another chance.
Real real real. It just felt real to me. I think Will reached out to her again like he did through her other nightmare. The rest may have been a dream.
ReplyDeleteI'm still chuckling over that kiss. The truth will set you free? I guess we'll see. Magnus to me, like Will, just gets better and better and more interesting. So much of what he does in TID helps you understand his actions inTMI.
I really hope it's not too late for Will and Tessa.
*Honestly I don't think she is dreaming. I don't know how she is "dreaming" what she is but there has got to be some reality to it.
ReplyDelete*Oh Magnus!! He has got to be the best character in all of Cassie's writing. He is the most caring and hilarious character ever. I love that he way he helps Will.And Magnus is right,it is always better to know the truth. He knew that this needed to be done and knew it would change him but in the end he knows it is what is best for him. Will is never gonna be the same but that honestly might not be a bad thing.
*I have mixed feelings about how will react to knowing the truth. I hope it makes him lighten up and helps him learn to show his feelings but at the same time it could make him feel vulnerable and in turn make him build a wall up to protect himself. I know the people around him will not make him feel bad for it. They are gonna be understanding and loving the way they always have. Everybody has always seen the best in Will and now they will be able to understand why he was behaving the way he was. I love Will and to me he can do no wrong. I just hope now he can see the best in him and he can learn to trust and be loves.
Yes! Will can do no wrong in my book either. ;)
DeleteDreams always have more meanings in books. I wish it was like that in reality. I could decipher so much more about life and who I am from my dreams if that were the case. I think that Jessamine dream has some truth to it, like Tessa might have Changed in her sleep and touched Jessie’s mind. It’s strange that she had that out of body experience too. I find that…interesting, wondering if there’s more to that Clockwork Angel than I thought. Her dream with Aunt Harriet made me wonder if that was another hint Tessa is indeed a Shadowhunter.
ReplyDeleteMagnus is wonderful and Woosley had me laughing so hard in this chapter. I hope on the Angel that Will finally comes clean with everyone. He needs to explain himself not just to Tessa but to the other Shadowhunters. Tessa though should finally know how he feels before she goes running off with Jem. Now is the time to lay his cards on the table before it really is too late for him. Tessa and Jem have grown a very honest and caring relationship, where they both know how the other feels, and with little complications. If he doesn’t speak up, Will won’t have Tessa to love—Jem will.
I had a feeling this whole curse was going to be a lie since one of the questions on here brought the validity of it into discussion. It must have been such a bittersweet moment for Will. I felt so bad for him. But now I need him to pick himself up by his bootstraps and start making his life as he truly wants it to be. It’s not too late for him to make amends. He must explain himself and be honest with those who mean something to him. And it’s not too late for him to win Tessa’s heart as long as he doesn’t waste his time! He must tell her immediately! Things are getting serious between Jem and Tessa. But I don’t think Tessa will be truly happy with anyone but Will. I think as long as Will is around, Tessa will always wonder ‘what if’? I guess it feels to me like Juliet, who would never be as happy with Paris as she was with Romeo.
This was a hard chapter to swallow.. my heart ached for Will and it ached for Magnus, so especially hard for me since Will and Magnus are my favorite characters among both series.
ReplyDeleteGoing into Tessa's dreams, well we know that Jem and Will were not dreams but with Jessie's I dont think it was so much of a dream but Jessie channeling her thoughts through Tessa, not on purpose I dont think but unconsciously on both her part and Tessa's, she didnt just imagine what happened, we know that in City of Ashes Jace sees in the Silent City cellar JG marked on the wall so that can't be a coincidence, that makes me think that this was more of Jessie's thoughts in Tessa's head.
Magnus vulnerability breaks my heart to pieces, because he so most definitely loves this boy, I dont know that he loves him the way he loves Alec or the way he loved Camile but he definitely loves him and you can see that it pains him to see Will suffer the way he is suffering over this curse, even now that he has discovered that the curse was a lie.
What he tells Woolsey about Will that he is very broken, like a vase that someone has smashed and that only luck and skill can put it back together the way it was before, it reminds me very much about a coversation Magnus has with Izzy in City of Lost Souls, where he tells her that certain people are picked for special destinies and special torments ad he tells her that people are all drawn towards what's beautiful and broken and he makes the remark that he knows for sure he has, and then says that some people can not be fixed, though if there is a way to fix them it's with love and sacrifice so big that it destroys the giver.. I don't remember the exact paragraph only a rough idea (I have read that page enough times)... but I have no doubt that when he tells Izzy this is most definitely talking about Will....
My poor poor Will.... I remember feeling like I wanted to throw the book accross the room when I read that Marbas had tricked him and there was no curse after all, I remembered Jem telling Tessa about the day Will crawled under the bed covering his ears not to hear his parents pleas for him to come downstairs and go back home with them, Will pushing everyone away and hurting everyone around him and at the same time hurting himself in the process... such a burden to bear for such a small child and even now such a young man :(
I guess its a relief to know that he is not cursed but also infuriating that he has suffered so much based on a lie...
What will happen now that he knows there is no curse...when I first read the book I thought he would run back to the institute and beg Tessa for her forgiveness.. but that's all I can say cause knowing what happens in the next chapters it wouldn't be fair to give my opinion on this ;)
I think Tessa dreamed but these happened real. Maybe this is a new capability. Or there is someone who showed these things to her. I don't know but I would like to know it.
ReplyDeleteI have written about how I love Magnus and now I just repeate myself. Will is lucky becaue Magnus be for him.
My heart broke too. I think there is hope for Tessa and Will.
I think Tessa's dreams have some sort of meaning - whether they actually happened or whether they're just dreams that mean something, could be a warning or some such thing. There are a lot of mysteries here, and I would very much love to figure them out.
ReplyDeleteI think Will needs the truth. If there was one thing that would truly change him and the way he relates to people, it's hearing and knowing the truth. After everything he'd been through, Will deserves that much. I think it's time for him to come to terms with everything and change the way he sees things. William deserves peace and happiness.
I really believe it's never late for anyone as long as there's still time. Will just needs to explain things and come out with it to the people he cares about. And maybe it might not be too late for him and Tessa.. Tessa has a gentle and forgiving heart. And now it's time that Will be honest with her. I hope Tessa understands..